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Talk:624 - The Vast Machine To Perpetuate Hopelessness (Marxian Class Analysis 1)

2012-10-13T02:20:21Z

Drake411: /* Well Listened -- Robin 06:29, 12 October 2012 (PDT) */

== 'Class' comes from the word 'Classify'? -- [[User:Drake411|Drake411]] 16:34, 11 October 2012 (PDT) ==

[[Richard Wolff|Wolff]] was a little irritating to me when he started of his lecture saying that the word class "comes from" the word to classify; the noun verbed. Then he gives a bunch of "different" examples that classify according to wealth. That was irritating too. I got about fifteen minutes in and had too much to say to listen anymore.
Firstly, the word class "comes from" the french word ''classe'' which comes from a particular and interesting use in Latin. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servius_Tullius#Classes Servius Tullius] a Roman King divided the Roman people into groups for the purpose of taxation. The group ''Classis'' which means "the group on call to fight". So the Latin word for class comes from the Latin word to call or calare. Which brings up my second point. One can easily find ways to group people that don't involve money or wealth. Social scientist use classes, market researchers too that divide populations by gender, employment, family type, people who vote, and race. Different measures of wealth could include owning a radio, TV or computer; walking, owning a bike, owning a car, renting vs owning, working vs living off income from property. That said, Servius Tullius King of ancient Rome divided his people into six classes with five classes of ''classisi'' and one ''proletarii''. The wealthiest were the only ones called to arms and the poorest had only their children as property (potential slaves). Still haves and have-nots but it is where the word class "comes from".

===Well Listened -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] 06:29, 12 October 2012 (PDT)===

: I'll add an erratum; he [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=classify does get the etymology backwards]. Sorry Wolff wasn't helpful for you.

Having gone back to listen to more I have to say this is a great lecture. So he meant that class for Marx is about the classification of groups and not some notion of style or aristocracy but about power. I know this stuff to some degree but this was so current and informed that it was really thrilling to listen to. The idea that Marx is all about labor surplus - bang on. In communism the worker gets the surplus with modern examples of exploitative vs communist situations - beautiful. Pointing out we can occupy more than one class at a time and that they can conflict with observations about marriage - genius. When he pointed out that the day after the Russian revolution the workers were still in an exploitative situation and didn't bring their production home, I had to come back and apologize.

Talk:624 - The Vast Machine To Perpetuate Hopelessness (Marxian Class Analysis 1)

2012-10-13T02:19:04Z

Drake411: /* 'Class' comes from the word 'Classify'? -- Drake411 16:34, 11 October 2012 (PDT) */

== 'Class' comes from the word 'Classify'? -- [[User:Drake411|Drake411]] 16:34, 11 October 2012 (PDT) ==

[[Richard Wolff|Wolff]] was a little irritating to me when he started of his lecture saying that the word class "comes from" the word to classify; the noun verbed. Then he gives a bunch of "different" examples that classify according to wealth. That was irritating too. I got about fifteen minutes in and had too much to say to listen anymore.
Firstly, the word class "comes from" the french word ''classe'' which comes from a particular and interesting use in Latin. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servius_Tullius#Classes Servius Tullius] a Roman King divided the Roman people into groups for the purpose of taxation. The group ''Classis'' which means "the group on call to fight". So the Latin word for class comes from the Latin word to call or calare. Which brings up my second point. One can easily find ways to group people that don't involve money or wealth. Social scientist use classes, market researchers too that divide populations by gender, employment, family type, people who vote, and race. Different measures of wealth could include owning a radio, TV or computer; walking, owning a bike, owning a car, renting vs owning, working vs living off income from property. That said, Servius Tullius King of ancient Rome divided his people into six classes with five classes of ''classisi'' and one ''proletarii''. The wealthiest were the only ones called to arms and the poorest had only their children as property (potential slaves). Still haves and have-nots but it is where the word class "comes from".

===Well Listened -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] 06:29, 12 October 2012 (PDT)===

: I'll add an erratum; he [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=classify does get the etymology backwards]. Sorry Wolff wasn't helpful for you.

Having gone back to listen to more I have to say this is a great lecture. So he meant that class for Marx is about the classification of groups and not some notion of style or aristocracy but about power. I know this stuff to some degree but this was so current and informed that it was really thrilling to listen to. The idea that Marx is all about labor surplus - bang on. In communism the worker gets the surplus with modern examples of exploitative vs communist situations - beautiful. Pointing out we can occupy more than one class at a time and that they can conflict with observations about marriage - genius. When he pointed out that the day after the Russian revolution the workers were still in an exploitative situation and didn't bring there production home, I had to come back and apologize.

Talk:624 - The Vast Machine To Perpetuate Hopelessness (Marxian Class Analysis 1)

2012-10-11T23:35:55Z

Drake411: /* Class comes from the word Classify? -- Drake411 16:34, 11 October 2012 (PDT) */

== Class comes from the word Classify? -- [[User:Drake411|Drake411]] 16:34, 11 October 2012 (PDT) ==

Wolf was a little irritating to me when he started of his lecture saying that the word class "comes from" the word to classify; the noun verbed. Then he gives a bunch of "different" examples that classify according to wealth. That was irritating too. I got about fifteen minutes in and had too much to say to listen anymore.
Firstly, the word class "comes from" the french word classe which comes from a particular and interesting use in Latin. Servius Tullius a Roman King divided the Roman people into groups for the purpose of taxation. The group Classis which means "the group on call to fight". So the Latin word for class comes from the Latin word to call or calare. Which brings up my second point. One can easily find ways to group people that don't involve money or wealth. Social scientist use classes, market researchers too that divide populations by gender, employment, family type, people who vote, and race. Different measures of wealth could include owning a radio, tv or computer; walking, owning a bike, owning a car, renting vs owning, working vs living off income from property. That said, Servius Tullius King of ancient Rome divided his people into six classes with five classes of ''classisi'' and one ''proletarii''. The wealthiest were the only ones called to arms and the poorest had only their children as property (potential slaves). Still haves and have-nots but it is where the word class "comes from".

Talk:624 - The Vast Machine To Perpetuate Hopelessness (Marxian Class Analysis 1)

2012-10-11T23:34:51Z

Drake411: Class comes from the word Classify? -- ~~~~

== Class comes from the word Classify? -- [[User:Drake411|Drake411]] 16:34, 11 October 2012 (PDT) ==

Wolf was a little irritating to me when he started of his lecture saying that the word class "comes from" the word to classify; the noun verbed. Then he gives a bunch of "different" examples that classify according to wealth. That was irritating too. I got about fifteen minutes in and had too much to say to listen anymore.
Firstly, the word class "comes from" the french word classe which comes from a particular and interesting use in Latin. Servius Tullius a Roman divided the Roman people into groups for the purpose of taxation. The group Classis which means "the group on call to fight". So the Latin word for class comes from the Latin word to call or calare. Which brings up my second point. One can easily find ways to group people that don't involve money or wealth. Social scientist use classes, market researchers too that divide populations by gender, employment, family type, people who vote, and race. Different measures of wealth could include owning a radio, tv or computer; walking, owning a bike, owning a car, renting vs owning, working vs living off income from property. That said, Servius Tullius King of ancient Rome divided his people into six classes with five classes of ''classisi'' and one ''proletarii''. The wealthiest were the only ones called to arms and the poorest had only their children as property (potential slaves). Still haves and have-nots but it is where the word class "comes from".

Talk:610 - From Enclosure to Privatization (Luddism, Magna Carta and Debt in The Middle Ages)

2012-08-02T23:15:07Z

Drake411: Trouble downloading hour two. Tried a couple of times and it worked. -- ~~~~

== Trouble downloading hour two. Tried a couple of times and it worked. -- [[User:Drake411|Drake411]] 16:15, 2 August 2012 (PDT) ==

I was really getting into hour two about India in the medieval period. iTunes cut off the episode after about 15mins. I tried direct download with firefox's save link to file and that failed too but I tried again and it worked. Weird. My guess is that something around 15mins in the audio looks similar to an end of file marker - if such a thing exists.

Just saying if you have trouble too just try again. The whole file is up there.

Drake

Talk:601 - The Psychopathology of Money (Nick Leeson, The Economics of Happiness)

2012-05-24T16:54:05Z

Drake411: /* Am I A Psychopath? -- Drake411 09:52, 24 May 2012 (PDT) */

== Am I A Psychopath? -- [[User:Drake411|Drake411]] 09:52, 24 May 2012 (PDT) ==

This was another great episode of Unwelcome Guests. I learned that it is the lack of empathy for others that is a deciding characteristic of insanity. The evidence of this separation is lies. When one cannot be honest with another person it voices this disease. Nick couldn't even be honest with his wife. I strive to be honest and view the inability to do it as cowardice and admire those who tell the truth at times when I wouldn't have the heart. So after this episode I guess I with cherish my commitment to leveling with people and work harder in those situations where the truth is harder to tell because lives may depend on practicing the habit and the failure to do so may be insanity itself. I don't want to launch into a confessional on a list of personal failures because it seems too many people make entertainment out of criticizing others without any self examination. So my withholding the whole truth to you is about my fear of rejection. That's not so crazy is it?

Talk:601 - The Psychopathology of Money (Nick Leeson, The Economics of Happiness)

2012-05-24T16:52:55Z

Drake411: Am I A Psychopath? -- ~~~~

== Am I A Psychopath? -- [[User:Drake411|Drake411]] 09:52, 24 May 2012 (PDT) ==

This was another great episode of Unwelcome Guests. I learned that it is the lack of empathy for others that is a deciding characteristic of insanity. The evidence of this separation is lies. When one cannot be honest with another person it voices this disease. Nick couldn't even be honest with his wife. I strive to be honest and view the inability to do it as cowardice and admire those who tell the truth at times when I wouldn't have the heart. So after this episode I guess I with cherish my commitment to leveling with people and work harder in those situations where the truth is harder to tell because lives may depend on practicing the habit and the failure to do so may be insanity itself. I don't want to launch into a confessional on a list of personal failures because it seems too many be make entertainment out of criticizing others without any self examination. So my withholding the whole truth to you is about my fear of rejection. That's not so crazy is it?